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Re: EU Acknowledges Macedonian Minority in Greece
Author: Marko Kraljevic
Date: Sun Feb 6th 14:09:17 2005
(Response to: EU Acknowledges Macedonian Minority in Greece ·
Metodija A. Koloski · Sun May 30th 08:03:12 2004)
Greece acknowledges a Slavic minority, not a Macedonian one, since the majority of the inhabitants in that region calls itself Macedonian since about 800 BC.
Of the Slavic minority about 50,000 (per the US CIA), only about 5000 consider themselves of FYROM Slavic conscience. In open and free national elections, the Rainbow Slavic political Party does not get more than 2000 votes in the whole country.
Greece is NOT going to recognize any minority as "Macedonian" and that goes for the country that wants to call itself "Republic of Macedonia."
The so-called "Republic of Macedonia" is actually located on three ancient territories.
1. Skopje in Dardania Illyria.
2. Veles-Stip strip with the area north of Demir Kapija in Paeonia (a Thraco-Illyrian people,
3. Areas of Krushevo, Prilep, Bitola, Gevgelija and Strumica used to be within Macedonian Territory.
For more info. read Fanula Papazoglu's (a member of the Academy of Arts and Sciences of the FYROM) books Macedonian Cities during Roman Times, and Central Balkan Tribes. I suggest the reader to read the whole texts of the books, including the saummery in French. Both books will be VERY educational to the people that think they are "Macedonians."
Ivan Mikulcic states “The northern periphery of Greek world, inhabited with ancient Macedonians and other peoples and tribes, wasn't developed for democracy as the most developed social system at that time" and the Macedonian Heritage adds "During the early archaic period at the Macedonian territory, the Dorian tribal groups came across over the Pindos mountain, to the area of today's North-Western Greece and parts of the southern Republic of Macedonia. They established several early principalities partially by chasing away the local Paeonian tribes. Those tribal groups were the ancient Macedonians"
“The lower part of Vardar is certainly the area south of Demir-Kapija gorge that entered Hellenic cultural sphere very early and already before 600 BC the material culture is thoroughly Hellenised.” But what tops all is the statement by Vera Bitrakova-Grozdanova "The Art of Antiquity left in the region of Ohrid a great number of traces of its own presence. Illyrian forts imported goods from Greek centers and imitated them in a modest fashion. Political advancement of the Macedonians and their domination enabled cultural influx that manifested itself through products of crafts and alphabet. From the times of Phillip II deeper advances in the area of Lychnidos are attested. Cultural influences of the Graeco-Macedonian world are more present. Rich Hellenistic culture arrived at Illyrian soil". The publication Arheologija voices “...Certain proto-populations occupying distinct areas of the Balkans could be distinguished on the territories of the cultural groups: in western part of the Balkans the proto-Illyrians, in the east the proto Thracians, in the south the Hellenes, in the northern part of the Balkans the proto Daco-Mysians and in the southwest of the Central Balkans the proto Bryges.'
Furthermore, the answer to the first part of the lengthy paragraph comes from the FYROM publications and scholars who have dealt with two specific areas Paeonia and Pelagonia.
Paeonia was located in the middle of the present day FYROM having Astibus (Stip) as its capital and Vylazora (Veles) as one of the most important cities. Pelagonia on the other hand was the area just north of Lyngistis (Florina-Bitola) and its inhabitants were Molossian speaking Macedonians of Upper Macedonia. Fanica Veljanovska declares “Paeonians, a people who during the first millennia BC inhabited border area between the three great paleobalkanic peoples-Illyrians, Thracians and Greeks”. She mentions no Macedonians since she considers the Macedonians Greeks. Vera Bitrakova-Grozdanova insists "Greek epigraphic monuments created before definitive Roman domination of our area are to be found in modest quantity"
Moreover, she states "Study of the inscriptions speaks about epigraphic characteristics of the neighboring Macedonian - Hellenic world". Vera Bitrakova-Grozdanova also mentions "Having the central position in this part of the Balkans, Paeonia, apart from receiving influences from the Hellenic south, wasn't an exception with regard to influences from Illyrian and Thracian sphere." Vera Bitrakova-Grozdanova would not have made such a statement if she did not feel the Macedonians were Greeks living south of Paeonia.
Statements about Pelagonia are made by Ivan Mikulcic, an excellent Scientist who was the first to object to say that the ancient Macedonians were Greeks. Mikulcic states “we are not to be amazed that in the archaeological material of Pelagonia we have a rarely great wealth of reflections of all pronounced cultural events in the relations between middle-Danubian and Graeco-Aegean world”. Also, Mikulcic determines “in a such great chronological distance in the life of ancient Pelagonia two stages are visible: development and existence in the frames of Hellenic culture and later the Roman one” “Even in the last decades of 5th century stabilization in all spheres of social life is established. As first sign of the new time import from Graeco-Macedonian south appeared as well as fortified settlements that later grew into urban centers with character of economic and religious nuclei of the region”
Viktor Lilcic describes life in Paeonia and the northern part of Upper Macedonia (Pelagonia) "The quantitative ceramic material used to be produced with the usual process including the labor of persons. Partly because of that, partly because of the traditions that had taken roots into our soil, which with centuries before that used to be watered with Hellenic spirit and Hellenistic way of life, the use of the building ceramics had been brought to minimum"
All these scholars above are members of the FYROM Academy of Arts and Sciences revealing that the SOuth of Paeonia was Greece. WHy in the World Greece would recognize any Slav as Macedonian, since by their own Academy's admition the ancient Macedonians were GREEKS?
Marko Kraljevic
Responses:Re: Re: EU Acknowledges Macedonian Minority in Greece ·
Alexander Christoforidis · Tue Feb 8th 12:40:03 2005
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